ABX wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:17:26 +0100, Thomas Willhalm
> <tho### [at] uni-konstanzde> wrote:
>> Thank you Edward! This is indeed the point. Thorsten, could you please
>> approve, decline, or update this statement? What I understand from your
>> answers in this and similar threads:
>> - You don't want public read access to the source-revision tree.
>> - You don't want to discuss and make design decisions in a public forum.
>> - You don't think that an open development model speeds up the
>> development. - You don't want to release development releases
>> (snapshots). Since the statement can be found on
>> http://mac.povray.org/support/status.html
>> and your are listed in the POV-Team as Mac developer, this is rather
>> contradictive. Either your personal opinion is in conflict with the
>> majority of the POV-Team or the statemen is obsolete and should be
>> removed from official public web pages.
> 
> Are you saying like:
> 
> ( Thorsten in POV-Team ) => ( Thorsten opinion == POV-Team opinion )

No, I never wanted to say that. That's why I wrote:
"Either your personal opinion is in conflict with the
 majority of the POV-Team..."

I am aware of the fact that Thorsten and not the POV-Team is answering,
and Thorsten answered accordingly by pointing out where his opinion
differs from other POV-Team members.

> IMO this disccusion follows wrong way. It seems that only argument to make
> open development for POV 4.0 is that Thorsten is in contradiction to the
> rest of the POV-Team. 

Sorry, I don't think I understand this sentence. Are you saying that
in my opinion POV 4.0 should use an open model for development, because
Thorsten disagrees with some other team member? I never wanted to say
something even similar to that. 

I wanted to find out whether what Thorsten wrote in this and other 
threads more or less represents the opinion of the other POV-Team members 
and whether the cited statement still holds. Both points were answered
by Thorstens response, so I'm happy now.

> I do not see any argument like:
> - look at this project - it moved to Open Source and community, stability
> and quality increased

Well, my list of open source projects that are in my opinion valuable
comes close to this.

> - look at this dead raytracing project - it has some good ideas in C++

I did something similar: Look at these papers about fur, they look 
interesting, here is my current implementation. Unfortunately, nobody 
else was interested.

> Instead of valid arguments I see something like "You said ... and ... and
> ... so you should not be a designer". 

I never said that Thorsten shouldn't be a designer or anything similar
to that. I never questioned Thorsten's position in the POV-Team
and if you got this impression (e.g. because of my bad English), I would
like to correct this here.

As I already said, my questions are answered and in my opinion we can
move on now (although I really wished the POV 4.0 age would start
soon and rumors about it could stop).

Happy tracing
Thomas

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